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3rd Jun 2022, 12:00 AM
Surprising no one, Loki is still alive. And Kevin's planning to give him another shot at the throne. Or really, any throne. Rest in peace Gamma Blonsky, I guess, your plotline will be missed.
Anyways, this is the end of the Thor chapter proper. When I started this one I genuinely had no idea it was going to be the longest chapter yet, before all the Earth stuff started I was genuinely wondering if I had enough material to make it match the Iron Man chapters. Shows what past me knows, I guess. Anyways, a couple of interludes to follow, and then on to Captain America: The First Avenger!
3rd Jun 2022, 4:36 AM
Are you telling me the Captain America campaign is actually going to be in the past! Awesome! This is gonna be so cool, I can't wait to see the mechanics and min-max build that goes into turning an ordinary reject small soldier into Captain America!
I wonder if Rob will come back to play his dad? That would be wild.
3rd Jun 2022, 9:01 AM
I feel like I need to temper expectations (because I probably didn't convey it well XD), there's a bit of a time jump between this page and the previous one, and the Cap campaign happens during that jump.
4th Jun 2022, 5:31 PM
Oh, my theory for Captain America was that it was a flashback to Kevin’s first time as GM in an older edition, with a character he never finished the storyline for.
4th Jun 2022, 5:52 PM
I will say that at this point, more than one chapter is planned to be primarily flashbacks. Ordinarily I'd be a little skittish giving that news out since they're a ways out, but I feel like the fact that there's more than one means that even if one seems incredibly obvious from my perspective, not all of them will be immediately guessed. XD
3rd Jun 2022, 4:47 AM
i am very curious how you'll frame captain America in the context of "planned from the start to join avengers by the dm" given how disparately separated it is until the very end
4th Jun 2022, 6:01 PM
I appreciate the amount of credit you're giving Kevin here. Is all I'm gonna say about that. ;)
3rd Jun 2022, 12:41 PM
So, Liam is going to play Loki in Defenders campaign? Makes sense, as he mind controls Hawkeye at the beginning (sorry for those who didn't watch this truly ancient movie yet), so we had the villain team for some time. However, this is not how I would do it . I think if DM wants to make Loki THE villain, he should control him himself. Liam could even find himself a new character to join on the fight against Loki... Say, we didn't meet Cap's character yet. If Liam took Cap, that scene in T2 when Loki turned into Cap would be hilarious.
Story time: Fighting past self.
One time I decided to recycle villain from my previous campaign: a necromancer returned as a lich. Most players were the same (with new characters), so they recognized him immediately Unfortunately, the party lost a battle against him. Normally that would be somethin a DM does not want, but I used this opportunity to recycle the whole world: I claimed the villain transported himself in the mirror universe of the first campaign, where he succeeded on taking over the world. The characters from the second campaign survived and needed to stop him. But until the final session I didn't tell the players WHY the villain succeeded: in this mirror universe the first party became evil and joined the villain. So in the final battle the current party fought the evil version of their first party (they loved that twist).
3rd Jun 2022, 6:50 PM
Practically, it'll be a bit harder for a player to control the villain... But they also asked "How did you aquire this?" for an in game item that, as DM, they can just... have. I think. Sounds like it just needs a bit of Suspension of Disbelief, here, probably.
3rd Jun 2022, 11:26 PM
Back when the Thor chapter was still in the planning stages, there were plans to have Kevin take over controlling Loki for the Defenders campaign, but a couple of different factors made me change course on that. Eventually, Liam would need to take over playing Loki again (for the series if nothing else), but the events of the Avengers
alter how the rest of Asgard perceives him and really marks his transition into full-blown capital V-villainy up until basically Ragnarok.
At the same time, writing the chapter gave me a much better idea of how the player behind the character was going to pan out, and as Liam developed into "well-meaning team player who happens to like running backstabbing schemers but is perfectly willing to offer helpful suggestions and even self-sabotage for the rest of the party", it felt like a really dick move to take Loki away from him for the big superhero slugfest. Ultimately it's less that Kevin really wanted Loki to be the main villain and more that he wanted to reward Liam for helping to keep things moving with a player's seat for the big project. Making Loki the bad guy just happened to be the most logical way to do that given where the character's gone.
As for the Tesseract... this'll probably be touched on a little bit in the Cap chapter and then a little more in the Avengers, but for now I'll just say that certain items in the Timely system have specific circumstances in which RAW allows them to pop up. Obviously it's ultimately a game and as GM Kevin can do whatever the hell he wants, but he's ultimately a Lawful-leaning sort and prefers to follow the rules where possible (especially when certain players aren't pissing him off), so him busting out one of these super-specific items has definitely surprised Liam at least.
Unfortunately I don't really have any stories of one of my characters fighting their past selves. Once our whole party got into a minor scrap with a past version of the DM's homebrewed (and one-eyed in the present day) god, though. It didn't last particularly long, but I remember my low-Intelligence mermaid bard got dope-slapped by our gunslinger on seeing the god's past self and saying "Oh never mind, this can't be the same guy, he has two eyes. ^^"
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